Peter Zühlsdorff

Warum sich ein Manager mit 71 Jahren eine Schule kauft

Peter Zühlsdorff war Chef von Wella und übernahm SinnLeffers. Dann kaufte er eine insolvente Berliner Schule. Ein Gespräch über das Lernen.

Foto: Amin Akhtar

Es könnte in England sein: In dem Parkgelände toben kleine Kinder und wandeln größere mit Schultaschen unter dem Arm, englische Sprachfetzen wehen über die Wege. Und mittendrin steht ein älterer Herr, unbritisch locker gekleidet: Peter Zühlsdorff (71) in seiner International School Villa Amalienhof in Berlin-Spandau.

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