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Gustavo Dudamel erklärt seine Botschaft in der Musik

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Volker Blech
Dirigent Gustavo Dudamel nach einer Probe im Foyer des Schiller-Theaters

Dirigent Gustavo Dudamel nach einer Probe im Foyer des Schiller-Theaters

Foto: Reto Klar

Gustavo Dudamel dirigiert an der Berliner Staatsoper Mozarts „Figaros Hochzeit“. Ein Gespräch über die Zukunft der klassischen Musik

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