Sir Simon Rattle

Die Philharmoniker dürfen nicht perfekt spielen

| Lesedauer: 16 Minuten

Sir Simon Rattle will keine Perfektion von seinem Orchester - und niemals neben einem Dirigenten aufwachen. Das erzählte der Dirigent der Berliner Philharmoniker im Interview - und sprach auch über Perfektion, das Berliner Publikum und Leben und Arbeit als "halbwegs normaler Mensch".

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