Berliner Spaziergang

Auf der Bühne des Lebens

Mit Thomas Ostermeier, dem Künstlerischen Leiter der Schaubühne, geht es bei einem Spaziergang durch seine Lieblingsecke Berlins.

Beim Berliner Spaziergang geht es dieses Mal mit Thomas Ostermeier, Künstlerische Leitung der Schaubühne, durch Schöneberg

Beim Berliner Spaziergang geht es dieses Mal mit Thomas Ostermeier, Künstlerische Leitung der Schaubühne, durch Schöneberg

Foto: Anikka Bauer

Der Spaziergang startet nicht auf der Straße, sondern in seiner Wohnung. Wie es hier aussieht, das solle man aber bitte nicht schreiben. Gleich im Türrahmen sagt Thomas Ostermeier das. Nur so viel: Der Blick schweift durch moderne Weiten, draußen über Dächer, und die Sonne knallt durch hohe Fenster. Man würde sofort einziehen.

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Wegen der Musik kam er nach Berlin

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Statt Klassikerpflege will er die Sprache ins Heute übersetzen

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Er stammt aus einfachen Verhältnissen

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„Ich bin eigentlich immer in Obachtstellung“

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