Berliner Ausstellungshaus

Der Martin-Gropius-Bau hat ein Erfolgsproblem

| Lesedauer: 8 Minuten
Gabriela Walde und Matthias Wulff

Foto: Reto Klar

Rekord im Martin-Gropius-Bau: Direktor Gereon Sievernich zählt bis Jahresende mehr als 700.000 Besucher - Das ist kaum zu toppen. Ein Gespräch im Kreuzberger Ausstellungshaus.

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