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"Theater ist nicht dazu da, aktuelle Phänomene abzubilden“

| Lesedauer: 8 Minuten
Volker Blech

Foto: Massimo Rodari

Dieter Dorn war 28 Jahre Theaterintendant in München. Ein Gespräch über seine Premiere an der Staatsoper, politisches Theater und die Volksbühne

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