Interview

Warum Charles Aznavour seinen 90. Geburtstag in Berlin feiert

| Lesedauer: 10 Minuten
Sascha Lehnartz

Foto: EMI

Er ist einer der beliebtesten Chansonniers – und armenischer Diplomat. Nun geht der fast 90-jährige Charles Aznavour wieder auf Tournee. Ein Gespräch über Identitäten und das Weitermachen.

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=tqbo dmbttµ#gsbhf#?Lmjohu tfis qsbhnbujtdi/=0tqbo?

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