Interview

Claus Peymann: „Theater ist zur eitlen Show geworden“

| Lesedauer: 15 Minuten
Viel Gelegenheit wird es nicht mehr geben, ihn live zu erleben, mahnt der Theatermacher Claus Peymann.

Viel Gelegenheit wird es nicht mehr geben, ihn live zu erleben, mahnt der Theatermacher Claus Peymann.

Foto: Reto Klar / FUNKE Foto Services

Claus Peymann wird im Juni 85 Jahre alt. Und macht mal wieder Theater in Berlin. Im Gespräch teilt der Theatermacher wie gewohnt aus.

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