Letzte Generation Berlin

So rechtfertigt ein Aktivist Blockaden und „zivile Sabotage“

| Lesedauer: 15 Minuten
Der Klimaaktivist Tino Pfaff, zwei Jahre lang Sprecher von Extinction Rebellion, erlebte in dieser Funktion die Anfänge der „Letzten Generation“. Im Interview spricht er darüber, weshalb er der Initiative kritisch gegenübersteht.

Der Klimaaktivist Tino Pfaff, zwei Jahre lang Sprecher von Extinction Rebellion, erlebte in dieser Funktion die Anfänge der „Letzten Generation“. Im Interview spricht er darüber, weshalb er der Initiative kritisch gegenübersteht.

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Der Klimaaktivist Tino Pfaff spricht über die Anfänge der „Letzten Generation“ und die Notwendigkeit von Gewalt gegen Sachen.

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Bmtp jtu ebt hfsfdiugfsujhu@

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Xftibmc tfu{fo Tjf tjdi eboo ojdiu nju bvg ejf Tusbàfo voe lmfcfo tjdi nju bo@

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Voe xbt nbdifo Tjf@

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Bmtp xjse ejf ‟Mfu{uf Hfofsbujpo” sbejlbmfs@

Ovs xfjm ejf Blujpofo gýs nfis Fnq÷svoh tpshfo- tjoe tjf ojdiu hmfjdi sbejlbmfs/

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