Hubertus Knabe

„Die Verklärung der SED-Diktatur wird akzeptiert“

Der Direktor der Gedenkstätte Hohenschönhausen ist einer der stärksten Fürsprecher eines Verbots von DDR-Symbolen. Die Morgenpost sprach mit ihm über verlorene Sensibilität und Merkels Vergangenheit.

Foto: JOERG KRAUTHOEFER

Seit Anfang Mai im Treptower Park Männer in DDR-Uniformen eine Parade am Sowjetischen Ehrenmal abhielten, ist die Diskussion neu entfacht, ob die Symbole der SED-Diktatur verboten werden sollten. Einer der engagiertesten Fürsprecher ist dabei Hubertus Knabe, Direktor der Gedenkstätte Hohenschönhausen.

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