Jüdisches Leben in Berlin

"Es gibt Antisemitismus ohne Juden"

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Andreas Nachama ist Historiker und Religionswissenschaftler, Professor am Touro College Berlin, Rabbiner der Synagoge am Hüttenweg und geschäftsführender Direktor der Stiftung Topographie des Terrors. Morgenpost Online sprach mit ihm über die Programe vom 9. November 1938.

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