Interview

Finanzsenator fordert faire Regelung für Berlins Schulden

| Lesedauer: 13 Minuten
Joachim Fahrun und Christine Richter

Foto: JÖRG KRAUTHÖFER

Ulrich Nußbaum hat den Entwurf für den Haushalt 2014/2015 im Senat durchgebracht. Die Berliner Morgenpost sprach mit ihm über den Etat, die Schulden und die Rekommunalisierung der Wasserbetriebe.

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