Pisa-Tester Schleicher

"Dschungelcamp? Das wär ein Schock für mich"

Mit seinen Pisa-Tests lehrt Andreas Schleicher Europas Bildungspolitiker das Fürchten. Auch von seiner Familie fordert er viel Disziplin.

Foto: Kai Juenemann

Prädikat pädagogisch wertvoll. Wie lebt es sich in einer Familie von Super-Pädagogen? Die italienische Mutter, Maria Teresa Schleicher, berät die Regierung ihres Heimatlandes in Bildungsfragen.

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