Interview mit Dr. Eckart von Hirschhausen

"Wissenschaft ist der aktuelle Stand des Irrtums"

| Lesedauer: 15 Minuten

Eigentlich wollte Eckart von Hirschhausen ein Wissenschaftsjournalist werden. Heute steht der promovierte Mediziner auf der Bühne oder im Fernsehstudio, um Menschen die Welt der Medizin und Psychologie kabarettistisch näherzubringen. Warum Humor helfen kann, gesünder zu leben, erklärt von Hirschhausen im Gespräch mit Norbert Lossau.

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