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Spahn bei „Illner“: Arbeit muss mehr einbringen als Hartz IV

Lässt sich die Spaltung in Deutschland durch wirtschaftliche Ungerechtigkeit erklären? Um diese Frage ging es bei „Maybrit Illner“.

Skandale und Gäste-Rankings: Diese fünf Dinge muss man über Polit-Talkshows wissen

Ob "Anne Will", "Hart aber Fair", “Maybrit Illner“ oder “Maischberger“: Polit-Talkshows prägen unsere politischen Debatten. Fünf Dinge, die man über dieseTalkshows wissen muss.

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Berlin.  Deutschland geht es wirtschaftlich gut. Vom Aufschwung profitieren aber längst nicht alle. Die Unterschiede zwischen Arm und Reich werden größer, der Niedriglohnsektor wächst – und die Zahl der Hartz-IV-Empfänger liegt noch immer bei rund sechs Millionen.

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Das stärkste Argument...

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Das schwächste Argument...

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Der Spruch des Abends...

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Das Fazit

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