Bernauer Straße

„Wir wollen den Schrecken der Mauer nicht vermitteln“

| Lesedauer: 9 Minuten
Matthias Wulff

Foto: Krauthoefer

Axel Klausmeier, Direktor der Mauer-Stiftung, wird am 9. November gemeinsam mit der Kanzlerin die neue Dauerausstellung in der Bernauer Straße eröffnen - für ihn ist es auch ein Ort der Hoffnung.

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