Late Night "Beckmann"

Wie Altkanzler Schmidt Westerwelle abwatscht

| Lesedauer: 7 Minuten

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Eigentlich sollten sie bei Reinhold Beckmann über ihr neues Buch sprechen: Doch Helmut Schmidt kippte beim Doppel-Interview mit dem Historiker Fritz Stern lieber Öl ins Feuer um die Debatte über angeblich parasitäre Hartz-IV-Empfänger. Und das bekam vor allem Guido Westerwelle ab.

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