Interview

„Vieles ist Folklore geworden“

| Lesedauer: 10 Minuten
Dennis Meischen
Urte Evert wünscht sich, dass etwas Beruhigung in die Diskussion um historisch schwierige Denkmäler kommt  zeigt aber auch Verständnis.

Urte Evert wünscht sich, dass etwas Beruhigung in die Diskussion um historisch schwierige Denkmäler kommt zeigt aber auch Verständnis.

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Urte Evert, Leiterin des Museums der Zitadelle, spricht über die Eigenarten der Spandauer und die Ankunft zweier preußischer Generäle.

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