Interview

Erzbischof Heiner Koch: „Berlin braucht mehr Religion“

| Lesedauer: 9 Minuten
Regina Köhler; Brigitte Schmiemann
Interview mit Heiner Koch, Erzbischof von Berlin, in seinen Diensträumen am Hausvogteiplatz

Interview mit Heiner Koch, Erzbischof von Berlin, in seinen Diensträumen am Hausvogteiplatz

Foto: Anikka Bauer

Erzbischof Heiner Koch erlebt Berlin nicht als religionsfeindlich. Und er hat Pläne mit dem neuen theologischen Institut.

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=fn?Xbt hjcu vot jn oåditufo Kbis [vwfstjdiu@=0fn?

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