Jüdische Gemeinde

"Juden haben Berlin immer gut getan"

Die Jüdische Gemeinde zu Berlin ist in finanziellen Nöten. Dazu tragen in erster Linie die Altersruhebezüge ehemaliger Mitarbeiter bei. Ein Gespräch mit den Vorständen Lala Süsskind und Jochen Palenker über Geld, den Markenkern und den Papst.

Foto: Massimo Rodari

Die Jüdische Gemeinde zu Berlin hat in den vergangenen Jahren ein zweistelliges Millionendefizit angehäuft. Über die finanziellen Probleme, die Zukunft der Gemeinde und das jüdische Leben in Berlin sprach Dirk Westphal mit der Vorsitzenden der Jüdischen Gemeinde zu Berlin, Lala Süsskind, und mit Finanzvorstand Jochen Palenker.

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