Interview

"Herr im eigenen Haus sind wir in jedem Fall"

| Lesedauer: 8 Minuten

Der Stabilitätsrat von Bund und Ländern hat Berlin und den Ländern Bremen, Saarland und Schleswig-Holstein attestiert, sich am Rande einer Haushaltsnotlage zu befinden. Um das Verbot von Neuverschuldung ab 2020 einzuhalten, müssen die Länder ein Sanierungsprogramm vorlegen und konkrete Schritte nachweisen. Jens Anker und Joachim Fahrun sprachen mit Berlins Finanzsenator Ulrich Nussbaum (parteilos).

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