Interview mit Ulrich Schneider

„Armut heißt, abgehängt zu werden“

| Lesedauer: 7 Minuten

Für den Chef des Paritätischen Wohlfahrtsverbands geht es bei dem Begriff nicht nur um Geldmangel

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