Martin Walser

"Ich habe diesen Springer nicht gekannt"

| Lesedauer: 8 Minuten
Jan Küveler

Martin Walser pocht im Gespräch mit Mathias Döpfner auf sein Recht, zu Axel Springer, Israel und Günter Grass keine Meinung haben zu müssen

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