Interview

Norbert Röttgen: „Die CDU steht nah an der Klippe“

| Lesedauer: 10 Minuten
Jochen Gaugele und Jörg Quoos
„Ich sehe keine Denkfaulheit in der Partei als kollektives Problem“: Norbert Röttgen beim Besuch in unserer Berliner Redaktion (im Hintergrund eine Projektion des CDU-Logos)

„Ich sehe keine Denkfaulheit in der Partei als kollektives Problem“: Norbert Röttgen beim Besuch in unserer Berliner Redaktion (im Hintergrund eine Projektion des CDU-Logos)

Foto: Reto Klar / FUNKE Foto Services

CDU-Präsidiumsmitglied Norbert Röttgen spricht im Interview über die Wahl des Parteivorsitzenden und die Klimakonferenz in Glasgow.

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