Interview mit Stuart Pigott

"Im deutschen Wein steckt gewaltiges Potenzial"

| Lesedauer: 13 Minuten
H. Kreitling, E. Krekeler, F. Müller

Foto: picture-alliance/ dpa / picture-alliance/ dpa/dpa

Der britische Weinexperte und Autor Stuart Pigott beschäftigt sich mit den Veränderungen des Weins weltweit. Im Gespräch mit Morgenpost Online erzählt er von Trauben in Georgien und China, den guten und schlechten Seiten des Klimawandels – und ist voll des Lobes über den deutschen Müller-Thurgau.

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