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Die neuen Berlinale-Chefs: „Das muss man eben aushalten“

Mariette Rissenbeek und Carlo Chatrian über ihr erstes Festival auf leerem Platz, den Wirbel um Alfred Bauer und andere Widrigkeiten.

In ihrem Büro am Potsdamer Platz: die Berlinale-Geschäftsführerin Mariette Rissenbeek und der Künstlerische Leiter Carlo Chatrian.

In ihrem Büro am Potsdamer Platz: die Berlinale-Geschäftsführerin Mariette Rissenbeek und der Künstlerische Leiter Carlo Chatrian.

Foto: Maurizio Gambarini

Fast müssen sie einem ja leid tun. Mariette Rissenbeek und Carlo Chatrian sind die neuen Chefs der Berlinale. Als Geschäftsführerin und Programmleiter führen sie das Festival erstmals als Doppelspitze. Doch gleich bei der ersten Berlinale, die sie bestreiten, werden sie mit Problemen konfrontiert, die gar nichts mit ihrem Programm zu tun haben: Sponsorenverträge, die auslaufen, Kinos, die am Potsdamer Platz schließen, eine Stripshow im Keller des Berlinale-Palastes. Und zuletzt auch noch die neuen Erkenntnisse um Alfred Bauer, den Begründer des Festivals, der seine Nazi-Karriere verschwiegen hat. Wie kann man sich da eigentlich noch auf das eigentliche Programm konzentrieren? Wir haben die beiden in ihren Büros am Potsdamer Platz gesprochen.

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