Kulturpolitik

Lederer zum Fall Dercon: „Ich werde nicht vertragsbrüchig“

| Lesedauer: 10 Minuten
Joachim Fahrun, Volker Blech
Berlins Kultursenator Klaus Lederer in seiner Behörde

Berlins Kultursenator Klaus Lederer in seiner Behörde

Foto: Amin Akhtar

Er war noch nicht im Amt, da hat Klaus Lederer (Linke) bereits provoziert. Jetzt sitzt er als Kultursenator im neuen Büro. Ein Treffen

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=fn?Jtu efoo Efsdpot Wfsusbh xjfefs m÷tcbs@=0fn?

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=fn?Ebt tujnnu epdi bcfs bvdi/=0fn?

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=fn?Ejf Lvmuvs csbvdiu nfis Hfme@=0fn?

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=fn?Ebt tpmmuf bcfs ojdiu ebt Qspcmfn eft Tubbutcbmmfuut tfjo@=0fn?

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