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Iris Berben: „An Kultur darf nicht gespart werden“

Schauspielerin Iris Berben über Verantwortung, Frustration, die Fragilität unserer Demokratie – und die Kultur als Opfer von Corona.

Schon lange engagiert sich Iris Berben gegen Antisemitismus und Fremdenhass.

Schon lange engagiert sich Iris Berben gegen Antisemitismus und Fremdenhass.

Foto: Reto Klar

Berlin. Vor drei Monaten ist sie 70 Jahre alt geworden. Schon zu diesem Anlass gab es zwei neue Filme mit Iris Berben. Nun kommen gleich noch einmal zwei Filme im Doppelpack: Am 15. und 16. November strahlt das ZDF die Bestsellerverfilmung „Altes Land“ aus und bereits am morgigen 9. November ist dort „Das Unwort“ zu sehen, eine bittere Komödie über Antisemitismus an deutschen Schulen – und ein aktueller Beitrag zum Reizdatum 9. November. Wir haben die Schauspielerin dazu befragt. Nur telefonisch, denn sie dreht gerade in Griechenland. Und muss dafür in Quarantäne.

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