Interview

„Deutschland steht nicht gut da“, findet Herta Müller

| Lesedauer: 10 Minuten
Gabriela Walde und Susanne Leinemann
Kurze Pause während der Tagung: Literaturnobelpreisträgerin Herta Müller im Charlottenburger Literaturhaus

Kurze Pause während der Tagung: Literaturnobelpreisträgerin Herta Müller im Charlottenburger Literaturhaus

Foto: Reto Klar

Die Nobelpreisträgerin Herta Müller fordert ein Exilmuseum in Berlin. Ein Gespräch im Literaturhaus in der Fasanenstraße.

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