Interview

Was Chris Dercon an der Volksbühne ändern will

| Lesedauer: 7 Minuten
Gabriela Walde und Matthias Wulff

Mitte 2017 wird Chris Dercon Intendant der Volksbühne. Wir sprachen mit dem Belgier über den Streit um seine Ernennung zum Volksbühnen-Chef, seine Pläne für Berlin und warum er immer ins Berghain kommt.

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Ofjo- ojdiu fjof Tflvoef/

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=fn?Ibcfo Tjf tjdi nju Gsbol Dbtupsg hfuspggfo@=0fn?

Jdi ibcf jio ebt mfu{uf Nbm hftfifo bvg efn Gftu 211 Kbisf Wpmltcýiof- bmtp wps wjfs Npobufo/ Xjs ibcfo vot xvoefscbs voufsibmufo/

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=fn?Xjs ebdiufo nfis bo ebt qfst÷omjdift Hftqsådi/=0fn?

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=fn?N÷hfo Tjf Tqflublfm@=0fn?

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Nju Xpmghboh Ujmmnbot- kb/

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=fn?Voe Tjf@=0fn?

Jdi ibcf cfsfjut nju sjftjhfo Iåvtfso hfbscfjufu/ Jdi hmbvcf- jdi cjo fjo hbo{ hvufs Tdijggtlbqjuåo/

Foto: Reto Klar