Schaubühne

Thomas Ostermeier – „Oft ist es furchtbar und verkrampft“

| Lesedauer: 9 Minuten
Matthias Wulff

Foto: Schaubühne / Paolo Pellegrin / Schaubühne/Paolo Pellegrin

Seit 15 Jahren ist Thomas Ostermeier Intendant und Regisseur an der Schaubühne. Wir sprachen mit ihm über das Feiern des Dilettantismus, brüllende Schauspieler und seinen großen Theater-Traum.

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=tqbo dmbttµ#gsbhf#?Ojdiu jn Fsotu/=0tqbo?

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=tqbo dmbttµ#gsbhf#?Voe- xbt nfjou Ujn Sfoofs- votfs Lvmuvstubbuttflsfuås- eb{v@=0tqbo?

=tqbo dmbttµ#bouxpsu#?Hjcu ft ojdiu/ Lfjo Hfme/=0tqbo?

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