Arabische Revolution

"Mubaraks Gefolgsleute massakrieren die Christen"

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"Die Muslimbrüder sind nicht gefährlich", sagt der Schriftsteller Alaa al-Aswani. Ein Gespräch über den Verlust der Angst und das Erbe der Revolution.

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