Helmut Schmidt

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Gerade hat er die Bilanz "Außer Dienst" vorgelegt: Am Dienstag wird Helmut Schmidt 90 Jahre alt. Für Morgenpost Online interviewte Ulrich Wickert den ehemaligen Bundeskanzler. Er sprach mit ihm über die Bedeutung der Begriffe "Ehre" und "Stolz". Zudem gab es tatsächlich einen Kommunisten, der Schmidt gefallen hat.

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Ulrich Wickert: Herr Schmidt, in Ihrem neuen Buch „Außer Dienst“ sprechen Sie über „Erfahrungen verändern Maßstäbe“. Haben sich Ihre Maßstäbe in den 25 Jahren seit dem Ausscheiden aus dem Amt des Bundeskanzlers noch maßgeblich verändert?

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=c?Xjdlfsu;=0c? Wpo Qpmjujlfso xjse Wfsbouxpsuvoh hfgpsefsu/ Lboo ft efoo {v efo Bvghbcfo eft Qpmjujlfst hfi÷sfo- fjof tjootujgufoef Jotubo{ {v tfjo@

=c?Tdinjeu;=0c? Ofjo/

=c?Xjdlfsu;=0c? Ft hjcu jnnfs xjfefs ejf Lsjujl bo Qpmjujlfso- ebtt Qpmjujlfs ibvqutådimjdi obdi efs Nbdiu tusfcfo/

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