Wim Wenders

"Bei Dennis Hopper denke ich sofort an den Tod"

| Lesedauer: 12 Minuten

Den Film "Palermo Shooting" hat Wim Wenders mit Rockstar Campino gedreht. Im Gespräch mit Morgenpost Online erzählt der Regisseur von Drogenexzessen seines Freundes Dennis Hopper in den Siebziger – und wie er gerettet wurde. Außerdem erklärt Wenders die großen Nachteile von SMS für das Leben.

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