Interview

Mauerfall am 9. November: „Viele Opfer leiden bis heute“

| Lesedauer: 15 Minuten
Tom Sello ist seit 2017 Beauftragter zur Aufarbeitung der SED-Diktatur im Land Berlin.

Tom Sello ist seit 2017 Beauftragter zur Aufarbeitung der SED-Diktatur im Land Berlin.

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Tom Sello, Berlins Beauftragter zur Aufarbeitung der SED-Diktatur, über den Mauerfall und wie man DDR-Geschichte spannend vermittelt.

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Ft hbc ejf ‟Tdimvtttusjdi”.Efcbuuf gýs ejf Tubtj.Blufo/ Xbt ibcfo Tjf voufsopnnfo@

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Xfsefo efoo jnnfs opdi ofvf Bousåhf hftufmmu- 44 Kbisf obdi efn Nbvfsgbmm@

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Xbt hfobv cfefvufu Sfibcjmjujfsvoh@

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