Interview

Die Geschichten hinter den Berliner Schriften

Täglich sind wir im Stadtbild mit Schrift konfrontiert. Doch hinter jedem Schild steht mühevolle Kleinarbeit. Verena Gerlach beschäftigt sich seit Jahrzehnten mit der Beschriftung Berlins.

Foto: Reto Klar

Eine Kreativenbürogemeinschaft in Kreuzberg: Neonröhren, lustige Stühle, Architekturzeitschriften, ein Kistenstapel Mate-Tee. Verena Gerlach öffnet fröhlich die Tür. Sie hat Visuelle Kommunikation an der Kunsthochschule Weißensee studiert und fraugerlach gegründet, ein Studio für Grafik, Schriftgestaltung und Typografie (www.fraugerlach.de). Sie arbeitet als freie Dozentin für Typographie. Philip Cassier und Felix Müller haben bei ihr vorbeigeschaut.

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