Koalitionsfrage

Wowereit hält Rot-Schwarz für Berliner Ausnahme

| Lesedauer: 11 Minuten
Christine Richter und Gilbert Schomaker

Berlins Regierender Bürgermeister Klaus Wowereit steckt mitten in den Koalitionverhandlungen mit der CDU und hat gerade ein Buch zur Integration vorgestellt. Morgenpost Online sprach mit ihm über seine Thesen zur Integrationspolitik, das Scheitern von Rot-Grün und das Bündnis mit der Union.

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